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travelling to Beijing, just to say: Please, cease and desist, don’t kill 
that baby simply because the authorization wasn’t given out. 
What does the clinic do? Do they inform government officials? Do 
they try to hide it? 
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. So our clinic does not provide abortion services. To 
my knowledge, none of our students have gotten pregnant. If one 
of our students got pregnant, we would have absolutely no role in 
enforcing the one-child policy. We are not an arm of the govern-
ment, Chairman Smith. We are a university. 
Mr. S
MITH
. I understand. But my hope would be that you 
wouldn’t—I mean, that woman is immediately at risk, and she will 
be forcibly to be aborted. And a student, obviously marriages are 
not even allowed to occur until 25. I read your Statement of Labor 
Values. You have a section on protecting women’s rights. 
Mr. L
EHMAN
. Yes. 
Mr. S
MITH
. You do put in provided by PRC law should be pro-
tected, talking about pregnancy, childbirth. But, again, the dark 
side of Chinese law when it comes to women and children is—one 
of them—is this terrible one-child-per-couple policy. 
If you could check to see what happens if a woman presents, 
same with Dr. Martin, so that we are no way complicit. 
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responsible only to FHSU. They have no reason to report any situation to Chinese 
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. I will certainly check, Chairman Smith. 
Mr. S
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. Because that is, you know, there is a child’s life and 
a mother’s life at risk. 
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I have double checked and, as I testified, there is no requirement that NYU 
Shanghai report pregnancies to Chinese officials.
Mr. S
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. That would be very good. I appreciate that. 
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ARTIN
. Mr. Chairman, unlike NYU, of course, you realize 
that Fort Hays State University partners with the institutions. So 
the program is owned in its totality by the institution, but it is de-
livered on a host campus, so to speak. So there are other students 
on that campus. As a matter of fact, Sias International University 
has about 30,000 students on its campus, and only a very small mi-
nority of those students are actually part of the program. 
So to the extent that the communications take place within our 
faculty and our students, their ability to discuss anything has 
never been an issue. The scholarship, their willingness and ability 
to discuss things, as you have discussed, from the Bill of Rights all 
the way up to more sensitive issues, have never met opposition by 
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And to that extent, one of the things that we feel very privileged 
to be able to do is to expand the mind of the students. I said to 
somebody the other day: If you understand why people do what 
they do and you understand the human nature of people, then you 
are able to put them in context and not judge them as bad or good, 
but rather create a system whereby you can expand your view of 
the world. And that is what our faculty try to do in China, and 
they do it very well. 
And addressing your statement about spiritual or religious free-
dom, they are very well able to practice their religion. Clearly there 
is not a Catholic church that they can go into in their neighbor-
hood, but they are able to practice their religion within their own 
homes. 
Mr. S
MITH
. Before going to Mr. Sherman, I do have some other 
questions that I will finish with. But under number five, protecting 
women’s rights, NYU’s Statement of Labor Values, it says: ‘‘Wom-
en’s rights during pregnancy, childbirth, and nursing period will be 
protected as provided by PRC law.’’
That is the problem, the PRC law, which is outrageously uneth-
ical, immoral, and out of any human rights norms, even according 
to U.N. principles, Cairo Population, ICPD, or anything else, be-
cause it is forced, it is coerced. And so what does that mean, ‘‘as 
provided by PRC law,’’ in your statement? 
Mr. L
EHMAN
. I wasn’t part of the drafting of that, but my under-
standing, at least the way I understand it, is under Chinese law, 
after you give birth you are entitled to paid leave. And I don’t 
know, I think it may be 4 months. And so I think this is guaran-
teed paid leave. 
Mr. S
MITH
. But it does say during pregnancy as well. PRC law 
during pregnancy makes that child at the gravest risk of extermi-
nation at any time during their life on the planet. 
Mr. L
EHMAN
. I believe, Chairman Smith, that that provision is 
intended—I think it is framed in terms of protecting the rights of 
the woman, I believe. And so I think what that is intended to do 
is to say to the extent that Chinese law creates a floor under the 
rights of the woman, those will absolutely be respected. And that 
is not only by NYU Shanghai, but by anyone who deals with NYU 
Shanghai. 
Mr. S
MITH
. Okay. But, again, we are talking the rights of the 
women here would be coercive population control, including forced 
sterilization and forced abortion, which is so egregious, at Nurem-
berg, at the Nazi war crimes tribunal, it was construed to be a 
crime against humanity, which it is. Twice the U.S. Congress has 
called it a crime against humanity. 
So my point is, if you could clarify that for us, what do you mean 
by that? Because if it just means enforcing—and this is what I 
have gotten from many businesses operating in China, it is what 
we got from Google when we talked about the issue of censorship, 
a different issue, of course, that they were just following law as 
promulgated by the PRC. 
Mr. L
EHMAN
. So the point of the Statement of Labor Values, and 
it is comparable to the one that I believe was praised by Human 
Rights Watch as it was applied in Abu Dhabi, the point of this is 
to ensure that workers on projects associated with NYU Shanghai 
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