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Not stated Yes, but no details - - - - 72, Western Washington Yes, 750 sq ft, shelving and containers used $700.00/qtr, $300.00/upkeep, and area pays travel No foundation Yes, cmte chair and Steering Cmte Yes Not stated Yes, but no details - - - - 93, Central California Yes, 800 sq ft, 2 room facility $400.00/month budget from Area, with extra money for travel. Have a storage room and exhibit room. No foundation Yes
Yes 50 cubic ft. Yes, but no details
Archives is in Intergroup offices an do have a collection policy Self supporting, but does not say how. No foundation (as a part of Intergroup and not separately incorporated, a foundation would violate the traditions) Yes under Intergroup Yes Not stated Yes IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5582. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Archival repositories From: rick tompkins . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/9/2009 11:06:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Just a caveat to let you know that AAs are easy to please (especially archivists) but those in service and the vocal residents of the peanut galleries are reluctant to commit to spending large sums of a Delegate Area's cash. You'll have to propose the site with plenty of details.
you more information on any of our other 91 Delegate Areas, but the costs are always relative to what the Fellowship wants to do with Archives items.
storage unit in a converted office building, currently a "Public Storage" space on the building's second floor. Heated, insured, dust-free, and a gated site.
added aisle working space of six more feet to work in. It has a 10x10 window with a tarp to shield the sun and when it's pulled back there's lots of daylight.
placed there, we installed shelves, and made the space a work-friendly environment.
and the current rent is $118 per month. Not too bad for a facility that's changed hands three times over the ten years it's been located there.no losses, floods, fires, or insects! 2008 = $1400 per year, paid in advance by Area funds. And its effective cost vs. value? Priceless. rick, Illinois - - - - From: "Keith" (kroloson at mindspring.com) Hello, for the State of Georgia AA, Area 16, we have a location that has 1) state office 2) book distribution center to groups and interoffices 3) refrigerated archive room, all in one location, and across from it is the hotel where the State Assemblies occur. I don't know if they can tell you the startup costs or ongoing yearly costs for archive facility, but go here to ask
I'm sure it has moisture-controls too. In His Service, Keith R, former District 16E PI - - - - From: Greg Hughes (glhughes227 at yahoo.com) Area 27 (State of Louisiana) has an archival repository. It is currently housed in a room at the home of a member and former delegate who now serves as the area archivist. The Archives Committee is currently looking for a permanent location. - - - - From: alan dobson (dobbo101 at yahoo.com) If poss could you also share any info you find about this with me too? Thanks. Alan D
07827 839712 - - - - Original message #5568 from (kauaihulahips at yahoo.com) What A.A. Areas at present have free-standing repositories for their archives? Could people from some of these already existing archival repositories send me information about what they have for their Area?
how much is the rent? utilities? area annual budget/beakdown?
and our new archivist? (kauaihulahips at yahoo.com) IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5583. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Royalties for Grapevine related literature From: stockholmfellowship . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/12/2009 12:29:00 PM
Grapevine to find out about royalties and if the magazines are self-seupporting.
Grapevine and La Vina are self-supporting through magazine and other product sales. If they are in the red, however, AAWS will cover the deficit; as has happened in some fiscal years. However, the business model was established with the goal of breaking even.
royalties to Bill W.'s estate,
credited to the Grapevine's account. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5584. . . . . . . . . . . . Ralph Pfau instead of Big Book in early Spanish language AA From: juan.aa98 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/23/2009 12:19:00 PM
than Big Book in early Spanish-speaking A.A. - - - - Juan Rodriguez in California, in his researches in this area, has found that Spanish transla- tions of Fr. Ralph’s writings were used as the basis of Spanish-language A.A. in both North and South America during the years before there was a widely available Spanish translation of the Big Book. The earliest actual text which Rodriguez has found of a Spanish translation of the Big Book is from Puerto Rico and dates to 1959. As we know, the serious legal disputes which arose later on over rival translations of the Big Book in Mexico formed one of the most unseemly scandals of A.A. history. So for many years, in much of Latin America, Spanish translations of Fr. Pfau's writings were safer and more easily available. Also, Fr. Pfau's prose style was much easier to translate into Spanish than that of the Big Book, and seemed to naturally convert itself into smooth, flowing Spanish. These translations are in the form of booklets, usually about one-third to half the length of the Golden Books, giving individual sections from Fr. Pfau’s writings. So the twenty page booklet entitled "La Vida Emocional y el Mito de la Perfeccion" (“The Emotional Life and the Myth of Perfection”) was taken from "Sobriety Without End" (1957) and the twenty-four page booklet on "Resentimientos" (“Resentments”) was taken from "Sobriety and Beyond" (1955). The thirty-six page booklet entitled "Sano Juicio" (literally “Sane Judgment”) was a translation of "The Golden Book of Sanity" (1963).
among Spanish-speakers in the United States as well. The thirty-two page booklet "Liberado de las Tinieblas" (“Freed from Darkness”), a translation of Ralph’s 1958 autobiography (“Out of the Shadows”) in Look magazine, was published with a red and yellow cover much like the old circus cover of the original Big Books, in 2008 in Hollister, California, by the A.A. group La Gran Familia, to honor his memory, and there is a beautiful memorial to him on a hill top called Serenity Point at the St. Francis Retreat Center just outside of San Juan Bautista, California.
information supplied by Juan R. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5585. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: Dick Perez from the Akron Area From: Bob McK. . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 8:05:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Ricardo ("Dick") P. is first mentioned as on the Central Committee in Cleveland in 1945. The documentary of Central Bulletins on Compact Disk ("CB on CD") is available at nominal price thru the Cleveland District Office.
I have one talk by him produced by Encore http://www.12steptapes.com/ Dick was mentioned as working for the Mexican Consulate. The March '46 issue mentions him as translating the Big Book into Spanish -- although local rumor (as well as Dr. Bob and the Good Oldtimers) suggest his wife did most of the work. Please share your results on this search with me. It will get to our area and Cleveland Central Office Archives.
From: juan.aa98 . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/13/2009 3:54:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII What is Dick Perez's sobriety date I am curious to know?
++++Message 5587. . . . . . . . . . . . Plenitud magazine for AA''s in Mexico
From: Juan Rodriguez . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/11/2009 9:11:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII There is a recovery magazine in Mexico called Plenitud (translates to Fullness). It has more circulation and importance in AA Mexico than the Grapevine. They have done several articles on him, from interviews in Spanish that he gave. I contacted the magazine and they are about to send me all the info on him that they have from over 50 years of publication. I will post my findings. Juan R. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5588. . . . . . . . . . . . Father Martin Chalk Talk Passing From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/10/2009 8:34:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII baltimoresun.com The Rev. Joseph C. Martin dies at 84 Leader in fight against alcoholism founded Father Martin's Ashley in Harford County By Frederick N. Rasmussen March 10, 2009
leader in the fight against alcoholism and substance abuse who was a co-founder of Father
Martin's Ashley, a Harford County treatment center, died early yesterday of heart disease at his Havre de Grace home. He was 84. Father Martin's "Chalk Talk on Alcohol" and "No Laughing Matter" have become standard tools used by recovery centers, schools and employee assistance programs the world over.
to describe alcoholism in layman's terms as a disease," said Mark Hushen, president and chief executive of Father Martin's Ashley, located near Havre de Grace. "He helped thousands and thousands directly and indirectly with his message all
across the world," he said. Mike Gimbel, a substance-abuse expert who was Baltimore County drug czar for 23 years and now directs an anti-steroid program at St. Joseph Medical Center, is an old friend. "Father Martin has done more to educate and treat those suffering from addiction than anyone in the past 50 years," Mr. Gimbel said yesterday. Born in Baltimore, the son of a machinist who was a heavy drinker, Father Martin was raised in Hampden. He was a 1942 graduate of Loyola High School and attended Loyola College from 1942 until 1944.
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from 1944 to 1948, when he was ordained a priest of the Society of St. Sulpice.
Joseph's College in Mountain View, Calif., from 1948 to 1956, and later at St. Charles Seminary in Catonsville from 1956 to 1959. "I drank from the age of 24 to 34," he told The Sun in a 1992 profile. "I was
afraid to go near the altar to say Mass six days a week. I did go on Sunday, but
shaking all the while." After his troublesome behavior came to the attention of superiors, Father Martin
was confined to a psychiatric ward in California in 1956, and after his release,
returned to drinking double martinis and shots of vodka from hidden bottles in his bathroom. "It never occurred to me that perhaps there was something odd about a priest walking toward a garbage dump in the middle of the afternoon carrying two suitcases of clanking bottles," he told The Sun in an interview last year.
Michigan treatment center for the clergy, to get sober. By the time he left Guest House, he had regained his sobriety and found what would become his life's work. He converted his notes based on Bill Wilson's Alcoholics Anonymous famous 12-step program into a blackboard talk, which was done on an actual blackboard with chalk. During the 1960s, he began presenting it at AA meetings, rehab centers and private businesses.
picked up by the other armed forces where it was used as mandatory addiction training for
service personnel. Father Martin and his blackboard lecture were in demand all over the world, which gave rise to his crack: "Have chalk. Will travel." In 1964, he became acquainted with Lora Mae Abraham, a mother and a housewife, who was the daughter of a Baptist minister.
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years of disgrace and shame, and especially so because I was a woman," said Mrs.
Abraham. One night in 1964, Mrs. Abraham joined other members from her AA meeting at the
Johns Hopkins University to hear a lecture featuring Father Martin. "When he walked out on stage and said, 'Hello, I'm Joe Martin, and I'm an alcoholic,' and that alcoholics are not bad people, they have an illness, I surrendered right there that night," she said. The two became close friends, and
it was Mrs. Abraham who suggested in 1978 that Father Martin establish a center
where alcoholics could come for treatment. It took seven years of fundraising before they were able to acquire Oakington, the former estate of Maryland Sen. Millard Tydings overlooking the Chesapeake Bay.
father, the Rev. Arthur Ashley. The Rev. Leonard A. Dahl, a Presbyterian clergyman, stepped down two years ago
as president and CEO at Ashley. "He also took me to my first AA meeting, and I recently celebrated 36 years of sobriety," Mr. Dahl said of Father Martin. "He believed that alcoholism was his cross and hymn to carry, and he was never bitter about the disease." Father Martin, who liked to say, "Give me a blackboard, a piece of chalk and a bunch of drunks and I'm at home," always greeted new arrivals with a hopeful welcome: "The nightmare is over." Father Martin also made sure that no one was turned away because of their inability to pay for treatment that can cost $20,800 for the 28-day program. In the more than 30 years since it accepted its first patient, more than 30,000
people have been treated, including celebrities from the world of Hollywood, sports and politics. While retiring from active management in 2003, Father Martin, who had celebrated 50 years of sobriety, continued lecturing patients until late last year.
administration, had been a patient and later served on Ashley's board for a decade.
ministers, but Father Martin was the most powerful person I had ever met," Mr. Deaver said. "You see, Father has the power to change people, to make them better, to make them whole again." A Mass of Christian burial will be offered at 10 a.m. Friday at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Cathedral and Mulberry streets. Father Martin is survived by a brother, Edward Martin of Lilburn, Ga.; two sisters, Frances Osborne and Dorothy Christopher, both of Baltimore; Mrs. Abraham and her husband, Tommy Abraham, with whom he lived for 30 years; and many nieces and nephews. ldpierce aabibliography.com - - - - From: "Mike Custer" (generalc at woh.rr.com) Father Martin will be missed by many. I had the pleasure of meeting him a few times at different talks and events. Thank you for your service to so many. May God bless you and yours, love to all, Mike ... IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5589. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: the first prison group? NOT San Quentin
From: J. Lobdell . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/11/2009 8:39:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII But isn't there a difference between a Prison Group and taking a meeting into a Prison? Moreover, since the San Quentin group was formed in 1941 and the first Philadelphia Group did not exist before 1940, it's hard to see how it could even have been taking meetings into Philadelphia prisons two years before 1941.
at Rockland Hospital in 1939, which is New York State tho' the participants were partly from New Jersey. I think by the way that this institutional meeting may be the oldest AA meeting in the same location it was first held. - - - - From: John Pine (johncpine at gmail.com) Isn't there a difference between a self- directed, autonomous group within a prison and meetings that are brought in by outside groups or individuals? Could that be the distinction here? John Pine Richmond, Virginia - - - - > From: Shakey1aa@aol.com > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 > Subject: Re: the first prison group? NOT San Quentin > > The first prison group was definitely not > San Quentin! The Philadelphia Mother group > was taking meetings into Philadelphia prisons > two years before S. Q. and have continuously > carried on that tradition. > > Yours in Service, > Shakey Mike Gwirtz IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5590. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Archival repositories From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/12/2009 6:07:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have often wondered why regional and state AA Archives are not placed physically into the library of a large institution. (Or smaller local institution.) I.e. the Texas archives being placed at the U Texas Library in Austin. Or at SMU in Dallas. Even a large city library would be a good choice. (Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, Austin, have very large pubic libraries.)
by the group donating. Or they could be loaned (for fixed time 2 year, 5 year, 10 year) this would allow traveling archives to remove materials for conventions etc.
able to many more people. For example ,I have been to Oklahoma City 50 times recently and almost every time I go to the archives they are closed.
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www.aabibliography.com "an internet aa archive!!" IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 5591. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Anyone know anything about the first prison group? From: marionoredstone . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/12/2009 1:09:00 AM
the 25 millionth copy of the Big Book was presented to the then current warden of San Quentin in recognition of its being the beginning of the prison meetings.
Indiana and agree with those who say it is worthwhile.
inmate, and hearing his tale, I could truthfully say the very same thing that Warden Duffy describes the first AA speaker to have said to inmates.
first prison group? From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 3/14/2009 5:56:00 PM
25 millionth Big Book and returning home she was out of a job?
Arthur
On Behalf Of marionoredstone Subject: Re: Anyone know anything about the first prison group?
the 25 millionth copy of the Big Book was presented to the then current warden of San Quentin in recognition of its being the beginning of the prison meetings.
Indiana and agree with those who say it is worthwhile.
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