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>> >>> This is a question about putting up banners in >>> AA meeting rooms, with the 12 Steps, 12 Traditions, >>> and 12 Concepts written on them. >>> >>> I'm from an AA group in Brisbane, Australia. >>> >>> We had our Group Conscience and put to the vote >>> was whether we obtain a Concept Banner for our >>> group. >>> >>> An old timer and very knowledgeable member >>> advised that banners can be confusing to newcomers >>> (e.g Step 6 and what is written on Step 6 in >>> 12x12 two different things Tradition 3 etc.). >>>
>>> He also claimed that Bill W can be quoted as >>> saying that he was against the banners. >>> >>> I have never read or heard this before. I have >>> dozens of books and AA info on AA history and >>> Bill W, and have been unable to find any info >>> on this. >>>
>>> So was wondering if you may have anything on >>> the history of the banners and Bill W's thoughts >>> on their use (if he ever said anything about >>> them) as I am very interested in finding out >>> if this was so. >>>
>>> Really appreciate your time >>> Thanking you >>> Kind Regards Denise >>> Member Brisbane Traditions Group >>> Australia >>>
++++Message 6315. . . . . . . . . . . . Dropkick Murphy''s in Jack Mc.''s poem Drunks From: doci333 . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/9/2010 7:10:00 PM
when he writes, in one line of the poem, "and sent us to places like Dropkick Murphy's"? Line 31 underlined - See below please THE POEM CAN BE FOUND IN A NUMBER OF PLACES, FOR EXAMPLE: http://www.sobermusicians.com/drunks.html http://www.standupoet.net/ (Click Poems then to Drunks) Google has many pages about the band by that name, but I didn't see anything in our group's past postings when I searched there.
for my father, and the people who almost saved his life We died of pneumonia in furnished rooms where they found us three days later when somebody complained about the smell we died against bridge abutments and nobody knew if it was suicide and we probably didn't know either except in the sense that it was always suicide we died in hospitals our stomachs huge, distended and there was nothing they could do we died in cells never knowing whether we were guilty or not. We went to priests they gave us pledges they told us to pray they told us to go and sin no more, but go we tried and we died
we died in bed (but usually not the Big Bed) we died in straitjackets in the DTs seeing God knows what creeping skittering slithering shuffling things And you know what the worst thing was? The worst thing was that nobody ever believed how hard we tried
that would make us sick when we drank on the principle of so crazy, it just might work, I guess or maybe they just shook their heads __________________________________________ and sent us places like Dropkick Murphy's __________________________________________
or maybe we lied to the doctors and they told us not to drink so much just drink like me and we tried and we died we drowned in our own vomit or choked on it our broken jaws wired shut we died playing Russian roulette and people thought we'd lost but we knew better we died under the hoofs of horses under the wheels of vehicles under the knives and bootheels of our brother drunks we died in shame And you know what was even worse? was that we couldn't believe it ourselves that we had tried we figured we just thought we tried and we died believing that we didn't know what it meant to try When we were desperate enough or hopeful or deluded or embattled enough to go for help we went to people with letters after their names and prayed that they might have read the right books that had the right words in them never suspecting the terrifying truth that the right words, as simple as they were had not been written yet We died falling off girders on high buildings because of course ironworkers drink of course they do we died with a shotgun in our mouth and everybody knew it was suicide we died under the Southeast Expressway with our hands tied behind us and a bullet in the back of our head because this time the people that we disappointed were the wrong people we died in convulsions, or of "insult to the brain" we died incontinent, and in disgrace, abandoned if we were women, we died degraded, because women have so much more to live up to we tried and we died and nobody cried And the very worst thing was that for every one of us that died there were another hundred of us, or another thousand who wished that we could die who went to sleep praying we would not have to wake up because what we were enduring was intolerable and we knew in our hearts it wasn't ever gonna change One day in a hospital room in New York City one of us had what the books call a transforming spiritual experience and he said to himself I've got it (no you haven't you've only got part of it) and I have to share it (now you've ALMOST got it) and he kept trying to give it away but we couldn't hear it the transmission line wasn't open yet we tried to hear it we tried and we died
the comfort of its glowing in the dark we passed out and the bed caught fire they said we suffocated before our body burned they said we never felt a thing that was the best way maybe that we died except sometimes we took our family with us
he tried to love us into sobriety but that didn't work either, love confuses drunks and he tried and still we died one after another we got his hopes up and we broke his heart because that's what we do
we thought we knew what the worst thing was something happened that was worse
and it wasn't in Rome, or Jerusalem, or Mecca or even Dublin, or South Boston it was in Akron, Ohio, for Christ's sake a day came when the man said I have to find a drunk because I need him as much as he needs me (NOW you've got it) and the transmission line after all those years was open the transmission line was open And now we don't go to priests and we don't go to doctors and people with letters after their names we come to people who have been there we come to each other and we try and we don't have to die
Alcoholism. You Can Beat It! From: john wikelius . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/5/2010 11:27:00 PM
stamps of Alcoholism. 1981 First Day Covers are available as well. Used stamps value at 0.50, unused approx 1.50. They make great gifts. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6317. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: U.S. postage stamp reading: Alcoholism. You Can Beat It! From: Charley Bill . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/7/2010 1:42:00 AM
and a mint page of the stamps, given to me by Dr Joe Zuska., who is in some of the pictures.
forward them to you, perhaps next Monday. I can send a picture of the stamps, too, if you want it.
(charley_b at verizon.net)
> > I had a copy of that same photo at one time. > Somehow the photo became corrupt and I lost it. > I found it on the Internet a few years ago and > have never seen it since. This was the caption > that was with the photo: > > Alcoholism Stamp Issued > > First Day Stamp issued, featuring Alcoholism, > August 19, 1981. In celebration four important > individuals, in promoting awareness of Alcoholism > as public health problem pictured: > > Walter J. Murphy, Lois Wilson, widow of the > co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous; William > F. Bolger, Postmaster Genera; and R. Brinkley > Smithers; Board member of the NCA and Financier > of the Modern Alcoholism Movement. > > Couldn't find anything on Walter J Murphy other > than he became the Executive Director of NCADD, > but not sure of his role in 1981. > > Hope this helps > > Charles from Wisconsin > > - - - - > > >From the original question: > > The stamp in question is a U.S. first-class postage > stamp with the words on it: "Alcoholism. You Can > Beat It!" Just the words, no picture on the stamp. >
belladonna induced? From: pvttimt@aol.com . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/6/2010 1:07:00 AM
tell you first hand that our patients who ingest Jimson tea do not appear to be having a very good time. We usually have to put them in restraints in order to transport, and based on what the ER docs say, the physostigmine antidote is almost as dangerous as the weed itself.
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 7:15 am I got sober at a city mission in Virginia that has ... a night shelter. Of late, some younger alcoholics who have dropped out of the program but stay in the shelter have been trying jimson weed for its hallucinogenic properties and often have to be transported by ambulance to the local detox for safekeeping.
released, so at least we can assume hat the experiences brought on by hyoscine, scopolamine and hyoscyamine do not remove the urge to drink. - - - - Belladonna has the same psychoactive components as jimsonweed (Datura tramonium) -- atropine, hyoscine (scopolamine), and hyoscyamine.
From: diazeztone . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/7/2010 5:41:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII I have long had some pages on my site about Gert Behanna and her books, AA talks, and things. I had an email from her son a few years ago and I never heard back from him. Does anyone know how to contact him?
(Gert Behanna's son)? I write this on behalf of another member also who contacted me, from the Louisville Metro Traditions Group, by the name of L L
www.aabibliography.com eztone at hotmail dot com
From: Ben Hammond . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/8/2010 12:48:00 PM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Howdy All ... I have been searching for the source of the phrase "Bridge of Reason" (with caps) from the Big Book, pp. 53 and 56.
to a website which is attacking the Mormon Joseph Smith.
5126 S. St. Louis Av Tulsa, Oklahoma 74105 918 313 4059 - - - - BIG BOOK pages 53 and 56: p. 53 "Arrived at this point, we were squarely confronted with the question of faith. We couldn't duck the issue. Some of us had already walked far over the Bridge of Reason toward the desired shore of faith. The outlines and the promise of the New Land had brought lustre to tired eyes and fresh courage to flagging spirits. Friendly hands had stretched out in welcome. We were grateful that Reason had brought us so far. But somehow, we couldn't quite step ashore. Perhaps we had been leaning too heavily on reason that last mile and we did not like to lose our support."
It crowded out all else: 'WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THERE IS NO GOD?' This man recounts that he tumbled out of bed to his knees. In a few seconds he was overwhelmed by a conviction of the Presence of God. It poured over and through him with the certainty and majesty of a great tide at flood. The barriers he had built through the years were swept away. He stood in the Presence of Infinite Power and Love. He had stepped from bridge to shore. For the first time, he lived in conscious com- panionship with his Creator." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6321. . . . . . . . . . . . Looking for websites with archival preservation information From: mrpetesplace . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/6/2010 2:31:00 PM
I can help make available for preservation of archival material? I would like to provide this information on my own site with links. Does anyone have such information on their own area's site to assist other members? Thank you. IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6322. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: AA history book from GSO? From: James Bliss . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/6/2010 1:25:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII You can see a somewhat detailed timeline and the results of this attempted history in Message 4951 of this group. It is located at: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/AAHistoryLovers/message/4951
> > Thanks to all who directed me to time lines > for AA history. There is one submitted by a > Michael S to the Fourth Dimension Meetings web > site that appears to be the Arthur S timeline > with updates. > > AA HISTORY BOOK: 1950 TO THE PRESENT > > It follows the progress, through GSC meetings, > of a planned AA history book, covering the period > since 1950, being prepared by GSO. The last > mention on that time line of that effort is at > the 45th GSC meeting in 1995. > > Who knows what became of that effort? > > > IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6323. . . . . . . . . . . . Call Out for Bands for EURYPAA Concert
From: Stockholm Fellowship . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/6/2010 9:46:00 AM IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII EURYPAA 2010 Stockholm is currently seeking submissions for its Friday Night Sunset Concert! If you, your band, or someone you know, would like to be considered for the lineup, please email Matt D at archiedohman@yahoo.com a link to your music, or send a song in the mail. It's all in service, fun and fellowship for the EURYPAA conference, so there will be no compensation -- However, a table will be provided to get info out about the acts performing.
eaters, etc, to do entreacts while bands are setting up and breaking down. Thanks, Matt D
Co-Chair of Friday night entertainment for EURYPAA 2010 archiedohman@yahoo.com Spread the Word! The 1st Annual All-Europe Young People in A.A. Convention will
be hosted by Stockholm, Sweden, July 23-25, 2010. More information at www.EURYPAA.org/2010 IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ++++Message 6324. . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Banners with the steps, traditions, and concepts From: Arthur S . . . . . . . . . . . . 2/8/2010 5:52:00 PM
Traditions and Concepts are part of Conference-approved literature and service material and have been listed in the GSO (US/Canada) catalog for quite a number of years. They are the foundation of AA's 3 Legacies of Recovery, Unity and Service. They are also frequently printed in book appendices and inside the covers of pamphlets. It would be a bit incongruous that Bill W would be against banners or placards portraying the 36 spiritual principles he himself authored. In AA Comes of Age, Bill W speaks very glowingly of the banner unveiled behind the stage in Kiel Auditorium in 1955 showing the circle and triangle logo and explaining its meaning (and the symbolism of the 3 Legacies).
(i.e. invent or augur ways that newcomers will be affected by something - usually negative) it's primarily due to the fact that they can't come up with a common sense reason to be against something that they are against. It might be useful to ask for a copy of any written material by Bill W citing what the members claims he said. On the other hand Bill has probably been cited on quite a few things he never said.
(shakey1aa at yahoo.com) see 5/11/2003 posting by charles k. photo's incl of slogans appearing in 1953 grapevine - - - - Original message from "denise200305" Yüklə 25,47 Mb. Dostları ilə paylaş:
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